Newsgroups: alt.ufo.reports
From: MrPostingRobot@kymhorsell.com
Subject: ocean mining

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On another group they have been discussing the gravity field of the
Indian Ocean. There is an anomaly around the middle of the ocean and
some recent research has pinned down a reason for it.

Meanwhile, gravity surveys of the whole planet -- land and ocean --
have been going on continuously since 2002 with the launch of the
GRACE satellites.  We've looked at these before. Using a very precise
measurement of the distance between the 2 parts of the GRACE "train" it
can figure out the local gravity field. Complex calculations by
several groups can reconstruct anomalous (i.e. not related to a
smooth trend over time or the seasonal variations) mass variations
over each "grid" of the land or ocean seen by the sat every couple hrs.

I've used old publicly-available data from GRACE (now into a 2nd
mission called GRACE-FO "Follow On") to calculate changes in mass in
the Southern Ocean that may be related to the monthly cycles of
plankton grown and decline.  If the variation in mass there is related
to plankton then enough of it comes and goes in its various growth
spurts during the year to feed a population of around 80 billion
humans. I presume it doesn't all just die off and go to waste. And we
might suspect that is not happening. :)

But now we could look at the Indian Ocean measurements made by GRACE
over 2002-2018. And we find the measurements for the 1000x1000 km
central Indian Ocean seem to vary in phase with the distance between
Earth and Neptune. Both my usual stat tests show better than 90%
confidence it is not just a statistical fluke -- there seems to be a
link between the distance to Neptune as it varies up and down over the
period.  The closer Neptune is the more the Indian Ocean weighs -- to
the tune of around 20,000 tonnes per km2.

The key data looks like:

Y/M     DelNept  GRACE c Ind Ocn
        (AU)     (LWE cm)
2016.62 29.0044 -0.838145
2012.71 29.1195 1.36337
2016.54 29.2506 0.592272
2014.79 29.3741 0.387552
2009.79 29.4984 1.36543
2016.88 29.632  0.0654497
2014.88 29.8299 -0.697913
2010.88 29.9953 -0.249577
2016.38 30.156  -1.66697
2013.96 30.3744 -0.686367
2008.29 30.4843 -0.343731
2016.04 30.5873 -1.83637
2015.04 30.7031 0.318831
2016.21 30.834  -1.81756
2009.04 30.8968 -1.0724
2015.12 30.9908 -1.20513

The "DelNept" column is the Horizons calculated dist between Earth and
Nept in AU. It varies by around 2 AU as the earth orbits around the
sun but also a little as Nept also orbits around the sun much slower
than earth.

"Grace lwe" is the anomalous mass change over a month for the central
region of the Indian Ocean. It's in LWE -- liquid water equivalent
(cms). That means "+1" in the LWE is 1 extra cm of water over the
region. I.e. around 10kt/km2 of "water equivalent".

So if the DelNept varies somewhat irregularly by +-1 AU from an avg
and the GRACE lwe somewhat irregularly varies by roughly +-2 cm from
an avg then what could be coming and going from the region to the tune
of 20,000 t/km2?

We don't have to think too long:

  Manganese nodules
  World Ocean Review
  INDIAN OCEAN: So far only a single large area of manganese nodules has been
  discovered here, with an area comparable to that of the Penrhyn Basin. It is
  located ...

  Manganese nodules
  World Ocean Review
  Large areas in the Cook Islands coastal waters have concentrations of over
  25 kilograms of manganese nodules per square metre of sea floor.
  INDIAN OCEAN: So far ...

  What's In a Nodule?: 2021 North Atlantic Stepping Stones
  The largest deposits of manganese nodules occur in the deep abyssal plains
  of the world's oceans, where they can have very uniform distribution for
  many miles of seafloor.
  -- oceanexplorer.noaa.gov

  India has got rights to mine magnesium nodules from ... - Vedantu
  As it guards the Indian Ocean, India got the rights to mine them from the
  International Seabed Authority (ISA). - India can improve the availability
  of nickel, copper, cobalt and manganese by mining polymetallic nodules on
  the seabed in the Central Indian Ocean Basin.


As one of the items informs these deposits run to around 25 kg/m2 or
25 kt/km2. Almost exactly what GRACE says is coming and going
irregularly from the Indian Ocean almost exactly in synch with the
distance to Neptune.

So. Are we looking at a mining operation here?

We suspect some of the outer planets have oceans of one kind or
another.  Ganymede supposedly has the largest volume of salt water in
the solar system and an order of magnitude larger than Earth's oceans.
If we are looking at someone coming from there, why would they need
to?  You can always fall back on possible economic factors.  Maybe the
deep oceans hypothesised on the outer planets or moons thereof are too
deep to allow access. Maybe growth of these nodules -- it's a renewable
resource -- can't happen there at all.  Or maybe it's too deep to get
efficiently. Or at least not as easily as the Earth's abyssal plains.

Maybe abyssal plains rhymes with "easy pickins".

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